The "When the fastest qualifier is not on Pole" 2021 British GP

[DoubleFart]

Bottom post of the previous page:

The punishment doesn't fit the crime.

Punishing somebody who has a 25 second car advantage in normal conditions with a 10 second penalty is not a fit crime, as demonstrated in the race.

He would have retired had it not been for the red flag HE caused. He gained 25 points on his rival by either severe ineptitude (7x WDC and goat they say!) or by malicious intent.

[Star]

I really think they need to shut up about this incident now. It wasn't THAT dramatic, or that exciting, and the punishment roughly fitted the crime I guess.

Even Max himself doesn't care anymore:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/verst ... h/6637852/

Agreed to some extent, except it could hugely affect who ends up being world champion at the end of this season and that is always a big deal. Just look at the points Hamilton gained on Verstappen with that one move, when every point counts, he made a massive gain. Now he may well have got by and won the race on the track fair and square, he'd have closed the gap by 7 points. As it stands, he closed it by 25 when he never should have been allowed to in my view.

Max might not care now, but he very well might come December if he loses the championship because of it.

[PTRACER]

I really think they need to shut up about this incident now. It wasn't THAT dramatic, or that exciting, and the punishment roughly fitted the crime I guess.

Even Max himself doesn't care anymore:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/verst ... h/6637852/

Agreed to some extent, except it could hugely affect who ends up being world champion at the end of this season and that is always a big deal. Just look at the points Hamilton gained on Verstappen with that one move, when every point counts, he made a massive gain. Now he may well have got by and won the race on the track fair and square, he'd have closed the gap by 7 points. As it stands, he closed it by 25 when he never should have been allowed to in my view.

Max might not care now, but he very well might come December if he loses the championship because of it.

But then do we want the championship decided in a court room yet again?

[erwin greven]

To prevent a precedent. Ramming eachother of the track, getting a 10 second penalty and win the race... Even Ayrton did not manage that.

[MonteCristo]

I keep hearing RBR talking about the money more than anything.

But what about the Bottas/Russell crash? That would have been just as expensive. That's racing...

[White six]

New footage shows how far Max moved over to the line he usually took at that corner

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/90068/ne ... clash.html

No surprise, that's what you do if you are defending. Make the corner tighter for the opponent, meaning they have to brake more

Not much of a revelation

Did you watch the same clip? The clip I saw showed Max at least a car width wider than his Q3 lap overlayed, indicating just how much space he gave Lewis, who was nowhere near an ideal line. It backs up what the data that Horner refers to that showed Lewis was travelling substantially faster at that point than even his Q3 speed at the same point. No wonder he drifted so wide and was never anywhere near to hitting the apex.
It also says to me that had Max lifted and given the corner to Lewis, then the latter would have run wide and allowed Max to criss cross him and pass him cleanly on the exit.

Seen it plenty times, and I just see two drivers racing hard and being aggressive. 10 second penalty about right.

There will be a point where everyone is sick of the red bull bleating.

Has max calmed down now? This is good if he wants to win a title. Plenty of world champions that could have had a word in his ear about how to win these titles.

So similar to the Ocon case really. Yes it was ocon's 'fault' but there's no need for max not to let him through, and put himself in the risky situation. He would still have been top dog at Silverstone

[White six]

I keep hearing RBR talking about the money more than anything.

But what about the Bottas/Russell crash? That would have been just as expensive. That's racing...

Toto was bleating about that tbf, so they are united in grief

[MonteCristo]

I keep hearing RBR talking about the money more than anything.

But what about the Bottas/Russell crash? That would have been just as expensive. That's racing...

Toto was bleating about that tbf, so they are united in grief

Toto was crying poor, but he wasn't seeking a court hearing or anything.

[Star]

I really think they need to shut up about this incident now. It wasn't THAT dramatic, or that exciting, and the punishment roughly fitted the crime I guess.

Even Max himself doesn't care anymore:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/verst ... h/6637852/

Agreed to some extent, except it could hugely affect who ends up being world champion at the end of this season and that is always a big deal. Just look at the points Hamilton gained on Verstappen with that one move, when every point counts, he made a massive gain. Now he may well have got by and won the race on the track fair and square, he'd have closed the gap by 7 points. As it stands, he closed it by 25 when he never should have been allowed to in my view.

Max might not care now, but he very well might come December if he loses the championship because of it.

But then do we want the championship decided in a court room yet again?

Not really, but if the stewards had done their job and given Hamilton an appropriate penalty on the day it probably wouldn't have gone this far.

[PTRACER]

The punishment doesn't fit the crime.

Punishing somebody who has a 25 second car advantage in normal conditions with a 10 second penalty is not a fit crime, as demonstrated in the race.

He would have retired had it not been for the red flag HE caused. He gained 25 points on his rival by either severe ineptitude (7x WDC and goat they say!) or by malicious intent.

That doesn't make sense to punish drivers relative to their car's speed advantage. Otherwise Mazepin would be given a podium for shoving someone else off the track.

The problem is the rules themselves. Every penalty should be the same. 10 seconds stop and go each time. No fixing cars under red flag conditions. The end.

[Everso Biggyballies]

No fixing cars under red flag conditions. The end.

This one is a priority. No other series I know of allows that sort of freedom. It takes the piss when the guy who causes the red gets free reign to repair the car under red flag conditions, re-join the race with everyone else and then be able to comfortably win the race. Yes it was comfortable the win, never in any doubt from about 10 laps from the end.

To me the fan vote agrees with that thought.... who would have thought that the rabid Lewis fans at/watching the British GP would have voted for Charles Leclerc in preference to Lewis 'my poo doesnt smell' Hamilton?

[DoubleFart]

No fixing cars under red flag conditions. The end.

This one is a priority. No other series I know of allows that sort of freedom. It takes the piss when the guy who causes the red gets free reign to repair the car under red flag conditions, re-join the race with everyone else and then be able to comfortably win the race. Yes it was comfortable the win, never in any doubt from about 10 laps from the end.

Let's take a moment to remind ourselves that Lewis got his broken car fixed under Red Flag, when otherwise he would have been a lap down, at Imola. +18 points.
Then he had a terminally damaged car fixed at Silverstone under Red Flag. +25 points.

43 fucking points from good luck.

[PTRACER]

No fixing cars under red flag conditions. The end.

This one is a priority. No other series I know of allows that sort of freedom. It takes the piss when the guy who causes the red gets free reign to repair the car under red flag conditions, re-join the race with everyone else and then be able to comfortably win the race. Yes it was comfortable the win, never in any doubt from about 10 laps from the end.

To me the fan vote agrees with that thought.... who would have thought that the rabid Lewis fans at/watching the British GP would have voted for Charles Leclerc in preference to Lewis 'my poo doesnt smell' Hamilton?

Because British people are like that.

Although we have an element of national pride, that doesn't mean we will blindly follow a sportsman just because they are also British.

[DoubleFart]

Although we have an element of national pride, that doesn't mean we will blindly follow a sportsman just because they are also British.

You're not watching the BBC Olympics coverage then. Desperation for average Brits to win up against the worlds best, and such disappointment when they *shock* don't suddenly improve 200% and win

[Everso Biggyballies]

No fixing cars under red flag conditions. The end.

This one is a priority. No other series I know of allows that sort of freedom. It takes the piss when the guy who causes the red gets free reign to repair the car under red flag conditions, re-join the race with everyone else and then be able to comfortably win the race. Yes it was comfortable the win, never in any doubt from about 10 laps from the end.

To me the fan vote agrees with that thought.... who would have thought that the rabid Lewis fans at/watching the British GP would have voted for Charles Leclerc in preference to Lewis 'my poo doesnt smell' Hamilton?

Because British people are like that.

Although we have an element of national pride, that doesn't mean we will blindly follow a sportsman just because they are also British.

Not sure that theory works with the LH's Twitter and Facepalm and assorted social media followers.....

But I agree thankfully that does not cover all Brits. (I am still a proud Brit despite living downunder for 'a few decades')

[DoubleFart]

Honestly I really hope the Hamilton fans who have come into the sport in the last 5 years all fuck off when he leaves. They have zero understanding of F1, and you simply cannot have any kind of balanced conversation.

I.e. Schumacher is shit because in 3 years with Merc he didn't win a title. Lewis won it in his second season.

No understanding of the fact Brawn weren't developing the 2010 Merc, it was over a second off, and a good off-season would be gaining 0.2s on a competitor. No understanding of the hybrid engine and rule changes meaning a fresh start.