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Lewis is going to piss off into the distance, Bottas will probably get into second and we'll see the championship lead change hands for the last time this season.

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Tyre Info for Jeddah.....

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Comment from Pirelli's Saudi press preview

WHY WE’VE CHOSEN THE TYRES

For the first visit to the spectacular new Jeddah street circuit in Saudi Arabia, the 34th country to host a Formula 1 Grand Prix, Pirelli is bringing the three compounds in the middle of the range: the C2 as the P Zero White hard, C3 as the P Zero Yellow medium, and C4 as the P Zero Red soft: the most commonly-selected nomination this year.

Jeddah is the second consecutive brand new circuit this year after Qatar two weeks ago, although the two tracks are completely different in terms of stress on the tyres – with Qatar being one of the most demanding circuits on the calendar for lateral forces. Jeddah is even more of a novel experience as the track has only just been completed, with very little data to rely on.
Existing data and simulations from teams suggested the three middle compounds in the range are the best option for Jeddah and they should be well-suited to the demands of this very fast and flowing street race, run over 50 laps.


TRACK CHARACTERISTICS

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The track has been designed by well-known circuit architect Hermann Tilke and is located in Jeddah’s Corniche area. This is the first proper street circuit since Baku in June.

This 6.174-kilometre track – which runs alongside the coast – is the longest street circuit on the calendar (the second-longest of the entire year, after Spa) and is also set to be one of the fastest too, with an average speed of over 250kph predicted in simulations. That’s only just behind Monza, well-known as the ‘Temple of Speed’.

One of the most demanding of the 27 corners is Turn 13: a left-hander featuring 12-degree banking that should place high g forces on the tyres. Jeddah has more corners than any other track on the calendar, which will keep the tyres working hard.
Many parts of the circuit are quite narrow and unforgiving, with the walls close to the side of the track. This could lead to a reasonably high safety car probability, affecting strategy.

Jeddah is a night race, like all the last three races of the season, with the grand prix getting underway at 20:30 local time. This means that the pattern of track temperature is different to a normal race, with temperatures dropping over the course of each session. FP1 and FP3 are held just before sunset, with only FP2 on Friday and qualifying on Saturday (both starting at 20:00) likely to be representative of the race.

Conditions are set to be warm but humid, with the track located right along the northern coast at Jeddah. As it's never been used before, drivers can expect a slippery and ‘green’ track at the start of the weekend. Formula 2 and a Porsche competition are running as support events, which will help track evolution.


MARIO ISOLA – HEAD OF F1 AND CAR RACING
"Jeddah is probably the biggest unknown we face all year, as with the track being completed very close to the race. As a result, we can only rely on simulations from F1 and the teams, along with other information we’ve collected, to come up with our nomination. This street circuit looks set to be quite different to anything else, and the high speeds with fast corners will obviously play a big part in the way that the tyres behave. Jeddah has more corners than any other track on the calendar, and one of them – Turn 13 – also has 12-degree banking, so there are plenty of different elements that will keep the tyres working hard.”



MIN. STARTING PRESSURES (slicks) EOS CAMBER LIMIT
PRESSURE 23.5 psi (front) | 20.5 psi (rear) -3.25° (front) | -2.00° (rear) CAMBER


https://press.pirelli.com/2021-saudi-ar ... --preview/

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I don't know, the track looks wiggly with only one passing area (maybe three?). Sort of Montreal overdone. We will see how it actually works, but I am not sure this is a great track. I am not sure this is even a good Hermann Tilke track.
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 2 years ago As it's never been used before, drivers can expect a slippery and ‘green’ track at the start of the weekend. Formula 2 and a Porsche competition are running as support events, which will help track evolution.
I think this kind of works more against Red Bull than Mercedes.
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Ruslan wrote: 2 years ago
Everso Biggyballies wrote: 2 years ago As it's never been used before, drivers can expect a slippery and ‘green’ track at the start of the weekend. Formula 2 and a Porsche competition are running as support events, which will help track evolution.
I think this kind of works more against Red Bull than Mercedes.
Don't see why, but I'm expecting hammy to absolutely piss this weekend and be hot fav going to the UAE
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Onboard Jeddah in the safety car....

I have to say it looks real narrow, but the camera is mounted on the roof of the SC and is clearly a wide angle lens. It might be deceptive from that angle. Anyway wont be long before we see the cars on track for the first time. A bit squiggly and one line only in most parts.



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Pee 1 is underway

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Nice to see all the teams sporting the old original Frank Williams 'arrow' logo

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Martin reckons the circuit is like Silverstone but with walls. Its not doing much for me at the moment.
Half way through the first session and Max has done a 1:30 flat with Lewis half a second off that, but no one seems to be looking like they are pushing it. Max has not even used anything but hard rubber so far.

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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 2 years ago Tyre Info for Jeddah.....

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Comment from Pirelli's Saudi press preview

WHY WE’VE CHOSEN THE TYRES

For the first visit to the spectacular new Jeddah street circuit in Saudi Arabia, the 34th country to host a Formula 1 Grand Prix, Pirelli is bringing the three compounds in the middle of the range: the C2 as the P Zero White hard, C3 as the P Zero Yellow medium, and C4 as the P Zero Red soft: the most commonly-selected nomination this year.

Jeddah is the second consecutive brand new circuit this year after Qatar two weeks ago, although the two tracks are completely different in terms of stress on the tyres – with Qatar being one of the most demanding circuits on the calendar for lateral forces. Jeddah is even more of a novel experience as the track has only just been completed, with very little data to rely on.
Existing data and simulations from teams suggested the three middle compounds in the range are the best option for Jeddah and they should be well-suited to the demands of this very fast and flowing street race, run over 50 laps.


TRACK CHARACTERISTICS

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The track has been designed by well-known circuit architect Hermann Tilke and is located in Jeddah’s Corniche area. This is the first proper street circuit since Baku in June.

This 6.174-kilometre track – which runs alongside the coast – is the longest street circuit on the calendar (the second-longest of the entire year, after Spa) and is also set to be one of the fastest too, with an average speed of over 250kph predicted in simulations. That’s only just behind Monza, well-known as the ‘Temple of Speed’.

One of the most demanding of the 27 corners is Turn 13: a left-hander featuring 12-degree banking that should place high g forces on the tyres. Jeddah has more corners than any other track on the calendar, which will keep the tyres working hard.
Many parts of the circuit are quite narrow and unforgiving, with the walls close to the side of the track. This could lead to a reasonably high safety car probability, affecting strategy.

Jeddah is a night race, like all the last three races of the season, with the grand prix getting underway at 20:30 local time. This means that the pattern of track temperature is different to a normal race, with temperatures dropping over the course of each session. FP1 and FP3 are held just before sunset, with only FP2 on Friday and qualifying on Saturday (both starting at 20:00) likely to be representative of the race.

Conditions are set to be warm but humid, with the track located right along the northern coast at Jeddah. As it's never been used before, drivers can expect a slippery and ‘green’ track at the start of the weekend. Formula 2 and a Porsche competition are running as support events, which will help track evolution.


MARIO ISOLA – HEAD OF F1 AND CAR RACING
"Jeddah is probably the biggest unknown we face all year, as with the track being completed very close to the race. As a result, we can only rely on simulations from F1 and the teams, along with other information we’ve collected, to come up with our nomination. This street circuit looks set to be quite different to anything else, and the high speeds with fast corners will obviously play a big part in the way that the tyres behave. Jeddah has more corners than any other track on the calendar, and one of them – Turn 13 – also has 12-degree banking, so there are plenty of different elements that will keep the tyres working hard.”



MIN. STARTING PRESSURES (slicks) EOS CAMBER LIMIT
PRESSURE 23.5 psi (front) | 20.5 psi (rear) -3.25° (front) | -2.00° (rear) CAMBER


https://press.pirelli.com/2021-saudi-ar ... --preview/
I thought I read somewhere that the track was designed by Carsten Tilke, Hermann's son.
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Hmmmmm Max was heading the time sheets...... I must have nodded off because just woke up and see it was Lewis's Mercedes on top

Cant tell you anything other than the times and I fell asleep.


POS DRIVER GAP TYRE
1 Lewis HAMILTON1:29.786 4
2 Max VERSTAPPEN+0.056 5
3 Valtteri BOTTAS+0.223 4
4 Pierre GASLY+0.477 4
5 Antonio GIOVINAZZI+0.532 4
6 Carlos SAINZ+0.778 4
7 Charles LECLERC+0.814 5
8 Daniel RICCIARDO+0.822 4
9 Fernando ALONSO+1.056 3
10 Sebastian VETTEL+1.100 3
11 Sergio PEREZ+1.174 5
12 Esteban OCON+1.237 4
13 Lando NORRIS+1.243 4
14 Lance STROLL+1.258 3
15 Yuki TSUNODA+1.313 3
16 Kimi RÄIKKÖNEN+1.510 3
17 George RUSSELL+1.557 4
18 Mick SCHUMACHER+1.739 3
19 Nicholas LATIFI+2.035 5
20 Nikita MAZEPIN+3.678 3

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It's a track where you can't afford to make mistakes given the lack of run off areas. How many safety cars do we expect this race? I'm guessing there will be at least one, probably more.
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There will be definitely one that will help Lewis back in contention. Or in any other way. How much luck this guy had in his career when it comes to safety cars.
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Pee 2 is on now. Night session.

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Big crash for LeClerc. The initial long distance camera angle made the car look like it had been destroyed. Ok, it suffered a lot of damage, but thankfully not as bad as that first look.
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