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Well, I don't, that's for sure. I think the clip is 20-25 years old, at least. One of the things that made IDing problematic at the old fameflame was the fact that they often muted the clips. Add to that low-quality grabs using the old capture cards. I have to say it's not too much of a problem to me, if no post-1980s items are solved, but would of course prefer to see it all ID'd. I won't be able to, I'm completely in the dark about it. And so are the commentators on [YT], or else they're trolling.Some probably fatal crashes to identify (VIDEO)
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You're probably correct with ~25 years old.Jesper Hvid wrote: ↑2 years ago Well, I don't, that's for sure. I think the clip is 20-25 years old, at least. One of the things that made IDing problematic at the old fameflame was the fact that they often muted the clips. Add to that low-quality grabs using the old capture cards. I have to say it's not too much of a problem to me, if no post-1980s items are solved, but would of course prefer to see it all ID'd. I won't be able to, I'm completely in the dark about it. And so are the commentators on [YT], or else they're trolling.
Here's a (most likely incomplete) list of results from Scooter Lambert's career.:
https://www.myracepass.com/drivers/8705 ... ?year=1990
The #11 sprint car following behind (probably) belongs to Steve Kinser. His last name can be heard at the very beginning of the video: "Kinser watching all this from a car length behind"
Still no match on the flipping car.
I'll keep digging...
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Second extension of topic: Legion Ascot Speedway-interest (only 4 items):
With the dates, I'd say there's a chance some of these can be solved.
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It's a different angle of the one, here, at 4:15-4:20:Jesper Hvid wrote:#31: 3:30-3:34 unknown. I seem to remember this was Australian. I.e. speedcar, and not sprint car.
Same, with commentary, at 1:25:
Horrible accident. #55 flips, gets hit right in the cockpit by #68 Bruce Doolan (which then causes #51 to flip), catches fire, then gets hit by #76. All the while, with the driver still inside. It should by Bryan Cunneen, during the "World Championship" at The Royale, or Sydney Showground Speedway, in 1966.
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Aftermath, click to enlarge:
We'd already been there: viewtopic.php?f=80&t=13308
Speedcars = Australian midgets, yeah? Or both sprint cars and midgets?
EDIT: http://www.speedwayandroadracehistory.c ... -1966.html <--- this gives the names of the other two drivers: #76 Lou Marshall and #51 Sid Clarke. 26 Feb 1966 is the relevant programme/news bulletin. END EDIT.
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Regarding #3a+b: Archivio Luce has a Legion Ascot-clip with those accidents, and it is dated 8 Jan 1936, which should help immensely. At this point in time, the track's name had changed to Ascot Motor Speedway.
Wheel didn't come off the rolling car. But the date definitely shoots down the Wilbur Shaw-theory.
Wheel didn't come off the rolling car. But the date definitely shoots down the Wilbur Shaw-theory.
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hollie3sa wrote: ↑2 years agoYou're probably correct with ~25 years old.Jesper Hvid wrote: ↑2 years ago Well, I don't, that's for sure. I think the clip is 20-25 years old, at least. One of the things that made IDing problematic at the old fameflame was the fact that they often muted the clips. Add to that low-quality grabs using the old capture cards. I have to say it's not too much of a problem to me, if no post-1980s items are solved, but would of course prefer to see it all ID'd. I won't be able to, I'm completely in the dark about it. And so are the commentators on [YT], or else they're trolling.
Here's a (most likely incomplete) list of results from Scooter Lambert's career.:
https://www.myracepass.com/drivers/8705 ... ?year=1990
The #11 sprint car following behind (probably) belongs to Steve Kinser. His last name can be heard at the very beginning of the video: "Kinser watching all this from a car length behind"
Still no match on the flipping car.
I'll keep digging...
I can't hear the comments on the video here at work, but that must indeed be Kinser in the #11, and he started running green cars when he started his own team in 1995, I feel sure. Lambert was a Californian, and I doubt he raced much outside of his home state, so something in (Northern) California, late nineties/early noughts should do. Maybe Jim Thurman knows? Ah, I forget, Jesper just alienated him on another thread... tough luck.
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It's Silver Dollar SpeedwayMichael Ferner wrote: ↑2 years agohollie3sa wrote: ↑2 years agoYou're probably correct with ~25 years old.Jesper Hvid wrote: ↑2 years ago Well, I don't, that's for sure. I think the clip is 20-25 years old, at least. One of the things that made IDing problematic at the old fameflame was the fact that they often muted the clips. Add to that low-quality grabs using the old capture cards. I have to say it's not too much of a problem to me, if no post-1980s items are solved, but would of course prefer to see it all ID'd. I won't be able to, I'm completely in the dark about it. And so are the commentators on [YT], or else they're trolling.
Here's a (most likely incomplete) list of results from Scooter Lambert's career.:
https://www.myracepass.com/drivers/8705 ... ?year=1990
The #11 sprint car following behind (probably) belongs to Steve Kinser. His last name can be heard at the very beginning of the video: "Kinser watching all this from a car length behind"
Still no match on the flipping car.
I'll keep digging...
I can't hear the comments on the video here at work, but that must indeed be Kinser in the #11, and he started running green cars when he started his own team in 1995, I feel sure. Lambert was a Californian, and I doubt he raced much outside of his home state, so something in (Northern) California, late nineties/early noughts should do. Maybe Jim Thurman knows? Ah, I forget, Jesper just alienated him on another thread... tough luck.
And I think that solves it:
"Catch fence" - yeah, sure.Haudenschild narrowed the gap during the next five laps, and won a back-straightaway drag race to take the lead midway through the race. His stay in first place was short-lived, however, as his 22nd-lap collision with Scooter Lambert sent him flipping over the catch fence on the back straightaway. Haudenschild's crew went to work quickly on the #22, and had it race-ready by the time the fence was repaired.
Source: https://us.motorsport.com/woo/news/silv ... 6/1662384/
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Good find!, So, it's "Haud" he's saying - I listened to that umpteen times, I'd never have guessed!
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Absolutely this. I skimmed through llists and lists of names and just could not find anything that appeared even remotely close to what the commentator was saying.Michael Ferner wrote: ↑2 years ago Good find!, So, it's "Haud" he's saying - I listened to that umpteen times, I'd never have guessed!
Do you understand what he's saying at 0:14?
"Somehow only one spectator is hurt. Haud's ??? will return after the lengthy red flag."
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I didn't realise I could even do that. I guess I must have known what it felt like. You know who to blame: the bastard sons of madwomen. But thanks for the ID.Michael Ferner wrote: ↑2 years agoAh, I forget, Jesper just alienated him on another thread... tough luck.
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Michael, nah. Certain folks over at TF have gone out of their way to be greatly inhospitable in hopes of running me off so they can continue with their versions of "truth" Compared to them, Jesper is a rank amateurJesper Hvid wrote: ↑2 years agoI didn't realise I could even do that. I guess I must have known what it felt like. You know who to blame: the bastard sons of madwomen. But thanks for the ID.Michael Ferner wrote: ↑2 years agoMaybe Jim Thurman knows? Ah, I forget, Jesper just alienated him on another thread... tough luck.
Jesper, you're going to have to explain this to me. Who exactly are these "bastard sons of madwomen" to whom you refer? If it's something from "Hamlet", I didn't have any Shakespeare in school, so I wouldn't know
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Metaphoric,
How thus have we come to this?
Lost in time; now, skeletoric,
T'was a glass of your own piss.
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Wow... that was surprisingly easy. Kinda embarassing...
Thank you very much, Mr. @JThur01, Sir!